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you heard the president last night with mr. romney. mr. romney being a different mr. romney than we've seen him for the last 18 months or the last section years. do you think even with the new hit romney that showed up last night when he starts talking about states' rights, when he starts talking about regulation or deregulation, when he starts saying he doesn't advocate $5 trillion tax cut when in fact the numbers prove that he does and has been advocating that, will that resonate with independent voters and/or undecided voters in your state of ohio? >> i don't think so. i think people realize that governor romney is still wrong on medicare and still wrong on trade and still wrong on jobs and still wrong on the middle class. i think that's increasingly clear. again it goes back to which path do you go. do you want to go back to the trickle down economics you give tax cuts to the rich and hope it helps the middle class or do you focus on the middle class and that's trait enforcement, it's i don't think training at community colleges like columbus state and sinclair. i
you heard the president last night with mr. romney. mr. romney being a different mr. romney than we've seen him for the last 18 months or the last section years. do you think even with the new hit romney that showed up last night when he starts talking about states' rights, when he starts talking about regulation or deregulation, when he starts saying he doesn't advocate $5 trillion tax cut when in fact the numbers prove that he does and has been advocating that, will that resonate with...
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given that mr. romney and mr. ryan have given no details but have given a promise that they're going to reduce taxes by 20%, how does mitt romney deal with that tomorrow? what does he actually say that he has previously refused to say on explaining that? >> well, i think it's fascinating that they're treating mitt romney like he's the president and a lot in the media treat president obama like he's the challenger. what president george w. bush did when he was governor of texas is said i want to reduce taxes across the board and i want to make sure we have a balanced budget. he wasn't very specific during the campaign, and when he became president, he released a series of principles that went to capitol hill that said these are the measures that meet my -- >> here is the problem with that though, ron. people who have assessed his mathematics have deemed them to be completely impossible. michael, this is just in from mitt romney on how he'll pay for his massive 20% across the board tax cut. take a listen. >> everybo
given that mr. romney and mr. ryan have given no details but have given a promise that they're going to reduce taxes by 20%, how does mitt romney deal with that tomorrow? what does he actually say that he has previously refused to say on explaining that? >> well, i think it's fascinating that they're treating mitt romney like he's the president and a lot in the media treat president obama like he's the challenger. what president george w. bush did when he was governor of texas is said i...
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. >> senator kennedy, your question for mr. romney. >> mr. romney -- >> i'm sorry. was it my turn to respond. >> i was going to end it there. >> my suggestion about my comments in utah. let me complete it and you can ask me. >> do you have a problem with allowing someone to finish speaking and i suggest if you want to become president of the united states, you have to let both people speak. >> romney's worst moment was this one. it was a year ago with rick perry. >> rick, again, i'm speaking. i'm speaking. i'm speaking. you get 30 seconds. this is the way the rules work here is i get 60 seconds and you get 30 seconds to respond. >> obama has done his best to test him on this. both men have been tripped up by looking patronizing to women. aggressive attacks made her less likely to romney and helped turn the race in his favor. the last week of their fight centered on whether romney had taken a sexist tone when accused of accepting an anti-abortion group's endorsement. >> i did not in any way acknowledge their endorsement. >> you accepted it. >> in what way did i accep
. >> senator kennedy, your question for mr. romney. >> mr. romney -- >> i'm sorry. was it my turn to respond. >> i was going to end it there. >> my suggestion about my comments in utah. let me complete it and you can ask me. >> do you have a problem with allowing someone to finish speaking and i suggest if you want to become president of the united states, you have to let both people speak. >> romney's worst moment was this one. it was a year ago with...
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then on to virginia and ohio for mr. romney. mitt romney's campaigns in virginia and then florida. monday he's expected, as he said, to start filling in the policy details with the first of several speeches starting with foreign policy. we'll be right back. >>> welcome back to "hardball." last night was a tough night for the president, of course, but there's another story to be told about mitt romney's performance, which relied on fuzzy math. vague policy prescriptions and statements that strained the truth. i'm being nice here. he denied his tax plan would cost $5 trillion. denied it. independent economists say it's the case. "the new york times" editorial today, they got out overnight, says the following, virtually every time mr. romney spoke, he misrepresented the platform on which he and paul ryan are actually running. that's quite a statement. and a new york magazine jonathan challenged romney over his economic plan that seems to rely on some magical numbers and thinking, quote, so romney is a candidate of a 20% cut in tax rates, a new plan to cover people with pre-existing co
then on to virginia and ohio for mr. romney. mitt romney's campaigns in virginia and then florida. monday he's expected, as he said, to start filling in the policy details with the first of several speeches starting with foreign policy. we'll be right back. >>> welcome back to "hardball." last night was a tough night for the president, of course, but there's another story to be told about mitt romney's performance, which relied on fuzzy math. vague policy prescriptions and...
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and i bet president obama will make mr. romney choose which one. joining me now is democratic strategist tadd devine, senior adviser for kerry and gore campaigns and retired captain wes moore, he's the author of the book "the other wes moore." thank you for being here. >> thanks. >> tad, let me start with you. for the debate, isn't romney caught between what his base expects and what independents want to hear? >> absolutely. i mean, i think it's going to be difficult for governor romney to square his positions on so many issues, you know, and make an appeal to the independent swing voters who they're looking to right now, particularly in the battleground states, and keep it consistent with the things he said in the primary. let's face it. the guy won the republican nomination by going to the right of a right-wing slate of candidates. some of the farthest right candidates in history. so, he's going to have a really hard time if he tries to square those things. i think romney will tell him whatever his pulse tells him to do to appeal to the voters th
and i bet president obama will make mr. romney choose which one. joining me now is democratic strategist tadd devine, senior adviser for kerry and gore campaigns and retired captain wes moore, he's the author of the book "the other wes moore." thank you for being here. >> thanks. >> tad, let me start with you. for the debate, isn't romney caught between what his base expects and what independents want to hear? >> absolutely. i mean, i think it's going to be difficult...
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corbett, mr. romney, mr. turzai, mr. metcalfe and their friends will attempt to create confusion and chaos now that we beat this thing back. so we're going to be just as vigorous now as we have been. your prior guest on the prior segment talked about anger. let me tell you something, chris, there's a lot of angry voters in pennsylvania. mitt romney and todd corbett for this chicanery. they're going to have a conversation with them at the polls on november the 6th. >> let me ask you, kathy, why did this creep up on so many people? i have been making some noise about it, but this is like a multistate thing, something like 20 or 30 states involved in this, all basically pushed by the republicans, all pushed to stamping down on the chance of minority people and older people to vote. clearly partisan and ethnic in nature. here we are, i may be the only one on national television yelling about this thing, but it just seems -- as bill clinton said beautifully, it's blatant and yet nobody's been raising hell about it. >> that's
corbett, mr. romney, mr. turzai, mr. metcalfe and their friends will attempt to create confusion and chaos now that we beat this thing back. so we're going to be just as vigorous now as we have been. your prior guest on the prior segment talked about anger. let me tell you something, chris, there's a lot of angry voters in pennsylvania. mitt romney and todd corbett for this chicanery. they're going to have a conversation with them at the polls on november the 6th. >> let me ask you,...
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then on to virginia and ohio for mr. romney. mitt romney's campaigns in virginia and then florida. monday he's expected, as he said, to start filling in the policy details with the first of several speeches starting with foreign policy. we'll be right back. sleep train's inventory clearance sale ends columbus day. get 3 years interest-free financing on tempur-pedic. save 10%, 20%, even 35% on a huge selection of simmons and sealy clearance mattresses. even get free delivery! don't miss 3 years interest-free financing on tempur-pedic. the inventory clearance sale ends monday. superior service, best selection, lowest price, guaranteed. ♪ sleep train ♪ your ticket to a better night's sleep ♪ >>> welcome back to "hardball." last night was a tough night for the president, of course, but there's another story to be told about mitt romney's performance, which relied on fuzzy math. vague policy prescriptions and statements that strained the truth. i'm being nice here. he denied his tax plan would cost $5 trillion. denied it. independent economists say it's the case. "the new york tim
then on to virginia and ohio for mr. romney. mitt romney's campaigns in virginia and then florida. monday he's expected, as he said, to start filling in the policy details with the first of several speeches starting with foreign policy. we'll be right back. sleep train's inventory clearance sale ends columbus day. get 3 years interest-free financing on tempur-pedic. save 10%, 20%, even 35% on a huge selection of simmons and sealy clearance mattresses. even get free delivery! don't miss 3 years...
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this video about mr. romney and his family. it's very nice. nobody saw it at the convention but they're using it at their events now. right. and they gave "time" magazine that 1968 photo of young mitt romney on a beach in france with his love letter to ann, written in the sand. i mean you can understand why they wouldn't maybe want to highlight that mitt romney spent his draft eligible years writing love letters in france instead of serving in vietnam, but there is also a human benefit to showing him, right? human. an ounce of handsome, humanized mitt at this point might be worth a pound of questions on how he avoided serving during the war. they are trying. they've even got him talking about health reform in massachusetts again. and conservatives now are so scared of him losing as badly as it looks like him losing that they are not even squawking about it this time the way they did when he talked about romney care just last month. the romney campaign is trying to do some things right. they're trying to make people dislike their candidate less
this video about mr. romney and his family. it's very nice. nobody saw it at the convention but they're using it at their events now. right. and they gave "time" magazine that 1968 photo of young mitt romney on a beach in france with his love letter to ann, written in the sand. i mean you can understand why they wouldn't maybe want to highlight that mitt romney spent his draft eligible years writing love letters in france instead of serving in vietnam, but there is also a human...
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one of the problems mr. romney has is that voters just don't like him very much. we asked voters if they have a favorable, unfavorable of the president. they have a net unfavorable of the president and unfavorable for mitt romney. >> pollsters have been under fire from the right. >> you know it's a piece of garbage. i believe it's head to head in new hampshire. i've seen enough other polls to tell you that is a piece of garbage. >> calling it garbage. governor sununu wasn't talking about one of your polls, but one in new hampshire. how do you fight against kill the messenger? is this different than the past? >> it's not all that different. quinnipiac and most major polls do not weight their polls for party i.d. if someone passes our voter screen, they pass our likely voter. we ask if they are a democrat, republican or independent. voter identification and party identification is a changing characteristic. in 2010, democrats were complaining about the polls because party i.d. figures were republican. in ohio, ted strickland, the democratic governor went out of his
one of the problems mr. romney has is that voters just don't like him very much. we asked voters if they have a favorable, unfavorable of the president. they have a net unfavorable of the president and unfavorable for mitt romney. >> pollsters have been under fire from the right. >> you know it's a piece of garbage. i believe it's head to head in new hampshire. i've seen enough other polls to tell you that is a piece of garbage. >> calling it garbage. governor sununu wasn't...
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because in those states, mr. romney's argument that mr. obama is responsible for a bad economy doesn't work. ohio is more prosperous now than it's been for decades. and in virginia the unemployment rate is less than 6%. mr. romney probably can't win without either of those two states. and the economic conditions in those states, which are much better than the rest of the country, is really seems to be hurting him and helping the president. >> okay. peter brown, thanks for the interesting chat. i appreciate it. >>> now to number five on our list of the top five trending stories. the new intrusion into kate middleton's private life. more photographs of the duchess of cambridge have surfaced. a danish magazine has published photos showing middleton changing her bikini bottoms taken from the front. st. james palace has not said if it will take legal action. [ horse neighs ] look! she wears the scarlet markings! [ man ] out! your kind is not welcome here! nor your odd predilections! miracle whip is tangy and sweet, not odd. [ man ] it's evil! i
because in those states, mr. romney's argument that mr. obama is responsible for a bad economy doesn't work. ohio is more prosperous now than it's been for decades. and in virginia the unemployment rate is less than 6%. mr. romney probably can't win without either of those two states. and the economic conditions in those states, which are much better than the rest of the country, is really seems to be hurting him and helping the president. >> okay. peter brown, thanks for the interesting...
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we're not seeing that from mr. romney. a few generalities, but i want to see some specifics and i want him to connect each one up with how many jobs it is going to give us. >> you're looking for specifics tonight. what about, though, as you mentioned the economy, what about the battle for the middle class? you have joe biden as -- let me just play this clip in case our viewers haven't seen it, he really stepped in it yesterday when he said this was in charlotte. >> this is deadly earnest. how they can justify -- how they can justify raising taxes in the middle class who has been buried the last four years, how -- >> buried the last four years. of course, most of the last four years under the obama administration. so, before we chat, mr. stein, i do need to play this follow-up clip, the vice president, you know, coming back and explaining his comment. this was later in asheville. >> the middle class was buried by the policies of romney and that ryan supported. as bill clinton, all they're suggesting now when asked about thi
we're not seeing that from mr. romney. a few generalities, but i want to see some specifics and i want him to connect each one up with how many jobs it is going to give us. >> you're looking for specifics tonight. what about, though, as you mentioned the economy, what about the battle for the middle class? you have joe biden as -- let me just play this clip in case our viewers haven't seen it, he really stepped in it yesterday when he said this was in charlotte. >> this is deadly...
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whatever the romney campaign has done to gem themselves to this point, whether it's mr. romney's tax returns or lack there of or getting rich by laying off fact workers or that videotape that said half the country is lady bums and he doesn't care about them? in this reincarnation, thurston is mean. whaef it is that has done that is just killing him in the polls,every state. if the romney campaign does nothing else, they must, must, must make sure that nobody anywhere near mitt romney does that rich guy can't relate to people like me thing again. here's the romney campaign last night. >> both mitt and i have summer places up in new hampshire on lake winnipesaukee. a few summers ago was taking my chin and grandchildren to the town in the boat for ice cream. i got to the doing, looked around, there was no place to dock, we pulled over and all jumped out and ran up the dock and i realized there was nobody left in the boat to help me tie up or anything, they left me at to sea. i pulled up and i said who is going to tie up the boat? i looked up and there is mitt romney. he tie
whatever the romney campaign has done to gem themselves to this point, whether it's mr. romney's tax returns or lack there of or getting rich by laying off fact workers or that videotape that said half the country is lady bums and he doesn't care about them? in this reincarnation, thurston is mean. whaef it is that has done that is just killing him in the polls,every state. if the romney campaign does nothing else, they must, must, must make sure that nobody anywhere near mitt romney does that...
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whatever the romney campaign has done to get themselves to this point, whether it's mr. romney's tax returns or lack there of or getting rich by laying off fact workers or that videotape that said half the country is lady bums and he doesn't care about them? in this reincarnation, thurston is mean. whatever it is that has done that is just killing him in the polls,every state. if the romney campaign does nothing else, they must, must, must make sure that nobody anywhere near mitt romney does that rich guy can't relate to people like me thing again. here's the romney campaign last night. >> both mitt and i have summer places up in new hampshire on lake winnipesaukee. chin and grandchildren to the town in the boat for ice cream. i got to the doing, looked around, there was no place to dock, we pulled over and all jumped out and ran up the dock and i realized there was nobody left in the boat to help me tie up or anything, they left me at to sea. i pulled up and i said who is going to tie up the boat? i looked up and there is mitt romney. he tied up the boat and rescued me.
whatever the romney campaign has done to get themselves to this point, whether it's mr. romney's tax returns or lack there of or getting rich by laying off fact workers or that videotape that said half the country is lady bums and he doesn't care about them? in this reincarnation, thurston is mean. whatever it is that has done that is just killing him in the polls,every state. if the romney campaign does nothing else, they must, must, must make sure that nobody anywhere near mitt romney does...
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here is what they said about romney's prep. quote, mr. romney's team has concluded that the debates are about creating moments and has equipped him with a series of zingers he's memorized and has been practicing on aides since august. bob shrum, you have been on that particular role, preparing candidates for debate. what do you make of romney, a rather stiff customer to begin with, coming off as sort of a henny youngman or whatever, some sort of a don rickles with some zingers. i don't think of him as a zinger kind of guy where obama is expected to be left helpless. what do you make of that strategy? >> first of all, if you had it, you wouldn't announce it. it's kind of stupid. >> why are they leaking it? >> i don't know. because they're trying to hold onto their people, they're undisciplined, i have no idea. number two, zingers don't exist in a vacuum. it's not just coming up with some funny lines. they have to be part of the fabric of the argument and part of the fabric of who the person is. when ronald reagan said, there you go again,
here is what they said about romney's prep. quote, mr. romney's team has concluded that the debates are about creating moments and has equipped him with a series of zingers he's memorized and has been practicing on aides since august. bob shrum, you have been on that particular role, preparing candidates for debate. what do you make of romney, a rather stiff customer to begin with, coming off as sort of a henny youngman or whatever, some sort of a don rickles with some zingers. i don't think of...
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but go ahead, sir. >> romney: you bet. mr. president you are absolutely right with regards to 97% of the businesses are not taxed at the 35% tax rate. they are taxed at a lower rate. but those businesses happen to employee half -- half of all of the people who work in small business. those are the businesses that employ one quarter of all of the businesses in america. i talked to a guy who has a very small business. he is in the electronics business in st. louis. he said he and his son calculated how much they pay in taxes. federal tax, state tax, state income tax, gasoline tax, it added up to well over 50% of what they earned. and your plan is to take the tax rate successful small businesses from 35% to 40%. that will cost jobs. my priority is jobs so what i do is bring down the tax rates, lower deductions and exemptions. create more jobs because there's nothing better for getting us to an balanced budget than having more people working, earning more money paying more taxes, that's by far the more efficient way to get this ba
but go ahead, sir. >> romney: you bet. mr. president you are absolutely right with regards to 97% of the businesses are not taxed at the 35% tax rate. they are taxed at a lower rate. but those businesses happen to employee half -- half of all of the people who work in small business. those are the businesses that employ one quarter of all of the businesses in america. i talked to a guy who has a very small business. he is in the electronics business in st. louis. he said he and his son...
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in the vital state of ohio mitt romney has surged 49% to mr. romney's 50. a virtual dead heat there as well. a few days ago had the president up big in ohio. in crucial virginia romney leads 49, 48, another tie in the margin of error. with the country still talking about mitt romney's victory the democratic party has decided to go into full attack mode. the strategy seems to be very simple. call mitt romney a liar. >> plenty of people have pointed out what a liar mitt romney is and was last night. i mean if he was talking -- if he was speaking last night, he was lying. >> look, mitt romney had a good night but, you know, even, you know, a blind squirrel gets a nut every now and then. one good night is not going to erase a year of mitt romney's extreme positions. >> bill: that was pretty vicious, was it not? does the dnc really believe that kind of rhetoric will help the president? does it believe independent voters respond positively to that? i don't think they will. in the realm of politics often misleading statements. "time" magazine story this week runs
in the vital state of ohio mitt romney has surged 49% to mr. romney's 50. a virtual dead heat there as well. a few days ago had the president up big in ohio. in crucial virginia romney leads 49, 48, another tie in the margin of error. with the country still talking about mitt romney's victory the democratic party has decided to go into full attack mode. the strategy seems to be very simple. call mitt romney a liar. >> plenty of people have pointed out what a liar mitt romney is and was...
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mr. ryan is sharpening his attacks against the president and romney campaign. they face the president's growing lead in the polls in both states. nbc's ron mott is live on the phone from boston with us. ron, what's the latest there? >> hey, alex, good morning to you. we're in boston, just getting ready to board the buses and head up to derry, new hampshire, for that first rally that you mentioned. paul ryan is going to be speaking in new hampshire, and then we are off to ohio. a little bit later for a banquet in columbus later this afternoon. he's sharpening his attack against the president. the president seems to develop bigger and bigger leads in those big battlegrounds, ohio, virginia, florida, as the attacks from the romney campaign are getting just a little bit sharper and what paul ryan is going out and doing now, the past week or so, he's brought out the power point. the numbers guy, a budget guy, he's showing voters who come to these rallies exactly, and in raw numbers, the deficit problem the country has and he said that mitt romney is the better candi
mr. ryan is sharpening his attacks against the president and romney campaign. they face the president's growing lead in the polls in both states. nbc's ron mott is live on the phone from boston with us. ron, what's the latest there? >> hey, alex, good morning to you. we're in boston, just getting ready to board the buses and head up to derry, new hampshire, for that first rally that you mentioned. paul ryan is going to be speaking in new hampshire, and then we are off to ohio. a little...
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he had a proem with governor romney's shirt. >> steve: look for mr. romney to wind up with a bump in the polls, because of the president's weak one. and she writes of the president. he's never been punctured before but by debays and wednesday night. if you open the window, this is what you heard. soft hiss of air departing from a balloon . she said the president is a very good politician . >> gretchen: it will be a town hall setting and that is a different environment and questioning coming from the audience. brian excellent point to bring up. i was thinking that this morning and how many people watch the debate. that was a concern that i had . had people been energized to care and listen to the differences between the two cand des. two find out more people watched the debate since 1992 was heartening. the idea that that many people wanted to come to the tv and see what was going on in the nation was heartening. >> steve: pat buchan an said it was the best one in 52 years. but pat going back to the kennedy/nixon debate. >> gretchen: people on the demo
he had a proem with governor romney's shirt. >> steve: look for mr. romney to wind up with a bump in the polls, because of the president's weak one. and she writes of the president. he's never been punctured before but by debays and wednesday night. if you open the window, this is what you heard. soft hiss of air departing from a balloon . she said the president is a very good politician . >> gretchen: it will be a town hall setting and that is a different environment and...
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[applause] >> mr. romney, i will provide those in detail. about the minimum wage, i will give you the document where you said you were against any increase in the minimum-wage and that he had a different opinion when you're talking on national television. i don't know why you would not meet with the strikers with that flimflam deals of years in indiana. frankly, i'm bothered about the pain of the people and massachusetts. you may be all frustrated about it, but your pain in this advertising is my pain for your advertising pails to what is happening in this city and what is happening in lawrence and in fall river where people can't get jobs. if you take a great deal of satisfaction about exchanging papers about this, i would just say finally does -- about -- finally is this about your advertisement, about the kennedy interest in the washington -- my next year-and-a-half blind trusts. we have no control okras trust. we conform with the ethics committees. mr. romney, the kennedys are not in public service is to make money. we have paid too high
[applause] >> mr. romney, i will provide those in detail. about the minimum wage, i will give you the document where you said you were against any increase in the minimum-wage and that he had a different opinion when you're talking on national television. i don't know why you would not meet with the strikers with that flimflam deals of years in indiana. frankly, i'm bothered about the pain of the people and massachusetts. you may be all frustrated about it, but your pain in this...
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on doubling the deficit, "new york times" reports mr. romney said mr. obama had doubled the deficit. that is not true. on green energy, mr. romney said half the companies backed by the president's green energy stimulus program have gone out of business. that is a gross overstatement. on the $716 billion that romney claimed that president obama cut from medicare, "the new york times" reports while fact checkers have repeatedly debunked this claim it remains a standard attack line for mr. romney. on every single issue. "the new york times" reports mitt romney lied. he did not tell the truth. why didn't president obama call him on those lies and go after him? and why didn't president obama expose those lies last night? he just didn't do so. i don't understand it. maybe john kerry told him not to. jenny is calling from worton, new jersey. hi jenny. >> caller: hi, bill. how are you? >> bill: i'm good. thank you. >> caller: long time listener, first time caller. >> bill: all right. >> caller: i had to call about that moderator last night. he was just awful. >
on doubling the deficit, "new york times" reports mr. romney said mr. obama had doubled the deficit. that is not true. on green energy, mr. romney said half the companies backed by the president's green energy stimulus program have gone out of business. that is a gross overstatement. on the $716 billion that romney claimed that president obama cut from medicare, "the new york times" reports while fact checkers have repeatedly debunked this claim it remains a standard attack...
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romney also went to israel over the summer and visited. israel is very important for him obviously politically. >> it could help him to pick up jewish votes spshgs that could be important in places like florida. he also could pick up some christian -- conservative christians who support israel, and then also, it gives him a chance to slam mr. obama on iran and try to make the case that obama is weak on iran, so it is useful for him on a number of levels. >> all right. jill, wouldn't you love to be a fly on the wall or listening in on either one of those phone conversations today. if you get a heads up or read-out, please let us know. thanks, jill. >> nearly 100 people were killed in syria today. we're talking about today during attacks between the government troops and rebel fighters. >> most of those people died here fighting in the city of aleppo. you see those images there. it is the same day that secretary of state hillary clinton is there. they're dedicate to ending the syrian civil war and helping the people whose lives have been rui
romney also went to israel over the summer and visited. israel is very important for him obviously politically. >> it could help him to pick up jewish votes spshgs that could be important in places like florida. he also could pick up some christian -- conservative christians who support israel, and then also, it gives him a chance to slam mr. obama on iran and try to make the case that obama is weak on iran, so it is useful for him on a number of levels. >> all right. jill, wouldn't...
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so it will be interesting to see whether or not mr. romney at some point says -- by the way, mr. president, your campaign has been running these ads that are total fabrications of my record. do you agree to take them down, or something very direct. >> martha: he makes great point because people talk about the fact that nobody is being blamed for the economy. apparently this whole new normal idea adds up that people say well, i guess had is just the way it is in america today. that's another thing that perhaps mitt romney could really strike out to do tonight, to say you don't have to settle for this. you don't have to. this isn't necessarily the way we have to get used to. >> brian: it's not okay have food stamps, 46 million getting food stamps. growth of 1.3%. when things get bad, you have to wonder what who to blame. in terms of the middle class, if you can win over the middle class, you will become the next president of the united states. joe biden knows exactly whose fault it is over the last four years on why the middle class had it so bad for so long. >> this is deadly earn
so it will be interesting to see whether or not mr. romney at some point says -- by the way, mr. president, your campaign has been running these ads that are total fabrications of my record. do you agree to take them down, or something very direct. >> martha: he makes great point because people talk about the fact that nobody is being blamed for the economy. apparently this whole new normal idea adds up that people say well, i guess had is just the way it is in america today. that's...